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GM Contemplar announces an update for Crafted Enchant Potion and Infusion for Wizards and Master Alchemists.

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Category: Wizards
Topic: Enchanting

Date: 03/14/2018 07:10 PM CDT
From: GS4-CONTEMPLAR
Subj: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!
Recent studies from the Masters in the Wizard’s Guild reveal new methods of storing mana into enchanting potions. Updates to INFUSE now allows a wizard to infuse the maximum mana for ALL doses in the container. When used, the potion will use up 95 percent per dose leaving the remaining infused amount for the next dose.

Also, skilled alchemists in the guild discovered a means of infusing mana into enchanting potions during the creation process thus making them better suited for tempering items due to their crafted bonus. Master alchemists can now craft enchanting potions that will give a maximum of plus 5 percent temper time reduction.

The alchemy crafted bonus is a separate bonus from the infusion bonus of the potion and it is calculated separately. First, the alchemy bonus is applied to the base temper time, then the infusion bonus is applied to the result.

~Contemplar~


Date: 03/14/2018 08:55 PM CDT
From: TRINITIS2
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!
According to the Wiki, we can only infuse a potion once before pouring. Has this changed with this update? Because if it has not, then the update will not be a whole lot of use, being that a wizard can only store slightly more then a 95% reduction at one time.

Cinto


Date: 03/14/2018 09:59 PM CDT
From: DOUG
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!
>> Master alchemists can now craft enchanting potions that will give a maximum of plus 5 percent temper time reduction.

Dammit! I don’t want to do Alchemy!

>> Has this changed with this update?

Yes, significantly. That’s the whole point. Also. . .

>> Updates to INFUSE now allows a wizard to infuse the maximum mana for ALL doses in the container.

Dammit! Where’s my enchant potion chest?! Grr. . .

(and thanks 🙂

Doug


Date: 03/14/2018 11:22 PM CDT
From: VANKRASN39
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!

Thank you for the boost to Alchemy. Even though this does not benefit me, this is exactly the type of advantage I was hoping to see from the system.


Date: 03/15/2018 07:19 AM CDT
From: GS4-CONTEMPLAR
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!
According to the Wiki, we can only infuse a potion once before pouring. Has this changed with this update? Because if it has not, then the update will not be a whole lot of use, being that a wizard can only store slightly more then a 95% reduction at one time.


Yes this has changed. You can now fill all the doses in the potion to maximum infusion. Each dose will use up to 95 percent (of the infused amount) per dose.

And yes, I just remembered that I didn’t update the Wiki to reflect this. If someone doesn’t beat me to it I will try to have it done soon. 🙂

~Contemplar~


Date: 03/15/2018 07:21 AM CDT
From: GS4-CONTEMPLAR
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!
>Dammit! I don’t want to do Alchemy!


Doug, what’s keeping you from Alchemy? I thought you’d like the challenge, or rather as I like to say the journey of alchemy.

~Contemplar~


Date: 03/15/2018 07:26 AM CDT
From: NENMOONIA
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!
Any chance of reviewing the whole flaring enchanting process? The rarity of greater essences, the lore requirement, and the potion making requirement absolutely kills the entire thing for what is really not much benefit (most common flares are not considered valuable in the first place)


Date: 03/15/2018 08:10 AM CDT
From: ALLENM20
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!
I agree with the previous poster and everyone else that has stated the enchanting process for flaring weapons needs review.

I’d like to see wizard ables to enchant flaring weapons up to 7x based solely on lore requirements. 50 ranks of lore and you can enchant the corresponding element up to 7x. 8x to 10x requires the current system of needing alchemy potions.

As I gaze over the horizon, the wind tugs at my cloak and whispers, “Adventure” in my ear.

AIM: Kaight (Matt) GS4


Date: 03/15/2018 09:01 AM CDT
From: GIBESON1
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!
How is that 5% factored in? If I have a pour infused for 30% is it 35% or is it 5% more of that 30%?


Date: 03/15/2018 09:13 AM CDT
From: AMCPENS
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!

The 5% and the infusion amount % are calculated separately. So, a master alchemist makes a potion with 5% reduction. And lets assume a 10 day temper time (just for an easy number to work with. The 5% for master alchemist brings that down to 9.5 days. If he also infused it up to the maximum, it would be 9.5 days X 95% = .475 days.


Date: 03/15/2018 09:19 AM CDT
From: SJOSEPH
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!

Is the 5% alchemy bonus usable by anyone or only the person who created the potion?


Date: 03/15/2018 09:23 AM CDT
From: VANKRASN39
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!

what is considered “Master”? Is it fully mastered in all 3 disciplines, fully mastered in potions, or fully mastered in general? Or something else?


Date: 03/15/2018 09:59 AM CDT
From: KRAKII
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!
Anyone who needs Greater Earth, I believe I still have the most recent two (2) essences that I found….


Date: 03/15/2018 10:00 AM CDT
From: GS4-CONTEMPLAR
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!
>Is the 5% alchemy bonus usable by anyone or only the person who created the potion?


Usable by any enchanter.

>what is considered “Master”? Is it fully mastered in all 3 disciplines, fully mastered in potions, or fully mastered in general? Or something else?


A Master in Potions.

~Contemplar~


Date: 03/15/2018 10:24 AM CDT
From: DOUG
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!
>>what’s keeping you from Alchemy?

Well, if I’m to be honest. . . attitude. Having dabbled with Alchemy, and feeling like it didn’t represent anything unique to a character (I liken it to all the other ken doll customizations we get wrapped up in), I’ve developed this, um, sense of ambivalence. If I’m being kind.

Actually doing something that moves the needle off the ken doll customization category (like V points out), changes the equation.

Still – I’m a garrulous old man (or so others would point out), so – unclear if the attitude will follow. 😉

Doug


Date: 03/15/2018 10:34 AM CDT
From: NENMOONIA
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!
The alchemy crafted bonus is a separate bonus from the infusion bonus of the potion and it is calculated separately. First, the alchemy bonus is applied to the base temper time, then the infusion bonus is applied to the result.

So am I understanding this right?

Let’s say the temper time is 10000 minutes (~7 days). Using a fully 95% reduced time infused potion, it becomes 500 minutes. THEN the 5% master crafted bonus “is applied to the result” so…500*.95 = 475 minutes, for a reduction of only 25 minutes. Is that correct? It seems a bit weak if so…


Date: 03/15/2018 12:13 PM CDT
From: TRIPLEGAME226
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!
>Doug, what’s keeping you from Alchemy? I thought you’d like the challenge, or rather as I like to say the journey of alchemy.

The challenge being to resist jumping off a cliff, right?

~ Methais


Date: 03/15/2018 12:51 PM CDT
From: KRAKII
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!
“So am I understanding this right?

“Using a fully 95% reduced time infused potion, it becomes 500 minutes. THEN the 5% master crafted bonus “is applied to the result” so…500*.95 = 475 minutes” — NenMoonia

Offhand, I would say, ‘no’.

.

First, the alchemy bonus is applied to the base temper time, then the infusion bonus is applied to the result.” — Contemplar’s announcement that you quoted, emphasis mine

You reversed the operation.


Date: 03/15/2018 12:52 PM CDT
From: KRAKII
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!
(However, since you were talking about 95% fully-infused potions… either way, it boils down to “multiply by .95, twice”. So even though you reversed the operation, it comes down to the same result. 🙂


Date: 03/15/2018 01:28 PM CDT
From: GS4-CONTEMPLAR
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!
>Let’s say the temper time is 10000 minutes (~7 days). Using a fully 95% reduced time infused potion, it becomes 500 minutes. THEN the 5% master crafted bonus “is applied to the result” so…500*.95 = 475 minutes, for a reduction of only 25 minutes. Is that correct? It seems a bit weak if so…


A slightly more positive way of looking at it is that the crafted bonus is reducing the base temper time by 500 minutes. So you save roughly 8 hours and 20 minutes of temper time without infusion. 95% infusion then reduces remaining 9500 minutes to 475, saving you a grand total of 6 days, 14 hours and 45 minutes of temper time.

~Contemplar~


Date: 03/15/2018 02:00 PM CDT
From: AMCPENS
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!
So, the ability to infuse more to infuse multiple doses in a potion: Does this mean that you can now infuse mana multiple times into he same potion?

Could I infuse a full 30k into a potion then infuse 10k into it each week for the next 7 weeks to have 100k mana infused?

Does this give 3 full 95% reduction, and then a ~40% on the fourth pour?


Date: 03/15/2018 02:57 PM CDT
From: GS4-CONTEMPLAR
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!
>So, the ability to infuse more to infuse multiple doses in a potion: Does this mean that you can now infuse mana multiple times into he same potion?


Yes, you can infuse multiple times into one potion until you reach its max infuse-able amount.

>Could I infuse a full 30k into a potion then infuse 10k into it each week for the next 7 weeks to have 100k mana infused?

>Does this give 3 full 95% reduction, and then a ~40% on the fourth pour?


Not quite right there on the math.

The closest you can infuse in your example would be 99,775 mana points (or +307% bonus) because you can only infuse in multiples of 325 man points (for temper time reduction on standard enchant potions).

Assuming you have at least a 4 dose potion to infuse 99,775 mana points for a total of 307% boost on the potion. The first pour would use up 95 percentage points and reduce the infused boost to 212%. The next 2 pours would also take 95 percentage points per dose, reducing the boost to 22% on the final dose.

You could then infuse 23,725 more mana points into the potion for another +73% boost to max out at 95% on the last dose.

The maximum amount of infused mana in a 4 dose potion would be 380% (123,500 mana points).

~Contemplar~


Date: 03/15/2018 03:58 PM CDT
From: AMCPENS
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!

Just the explanation I needed, thank you.


Date: 03/15/2018 05:08 PM CDT
From: AMCPENS
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!

For general info: the 5% temper time reducing potions with have “sparkling” pronoun in front of it. i.e. a sparkling mirtokh potion


Date: 04/08/2018 08:45 AM CDT
From: WRIGHT0321
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!

The maximum amount of mana that can be stored per week is 10,000, and a grand total of 35,000 mana points can be stored.

The maximum mana a tempering potion can hold is 30,875 for each 95% bonus per dose. For example, a tempering time of 14 days (336 hours) would be reduced to less than a day (16.8 hours) with a 95% temper time reduction.

so let me get this straight….. 4 weeks worth of hunting will reduce a single pour by 95%

so for a 4-5x enchant (5 pours) will take 20 weeks worth of hunting to reduce all the pour temper times by 95%

or i can not hunt, not infuse, and do 5 pours at regular temper times and finish the project in 10 weeks if a full 14 days temper time is required

Am i missing something? this cannot be right? is it?


Date: 04/08/2018 09:32 AM CDT
From: ALLENM20
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!
You’re correct, but the point is that a person that is hunting could possibly do a 7x enchant in a week by hunting and working on infusing all the pours in a potion.

Plus nothing says you can’t work on a project while saving up mana for infusion.

Wizards that earn the 10k mana each week will turn out more projects faster than a wizard that does not. And with these changes, it’s very easy to save up enough infusions and sell a quick enchant at a premium. I’m sure there are folks willing to pay quite a bit more to have an enchant ready much sooner.

As I gaze over the horizon, the wind tugs at my cloak and whispers, “Adventure” in my ear.

AIM: Kaight (Matt) GS4


Date: 04/08/2018 01:38 PM CDT
From: GS4-CONTEMPLAR
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!
>so let me get this straight….. 4 weeks worth of hunting will reduce a single pour by 95%

>so for a 4-5x enchant (5 pours) will take 20 weeks worth of hunting to reduce all the pour temper times by 95%

>or i can not hunt, not infuse, and do 5 pours at regular temper times and finish the project in 10 weeks if a full 14 days temper time is required

>Am i missing something? this cannot be right? is it?


No infusion would have the project take 10 weeks, or 70 days.

Infusing the maximum (10,000) per week would shave about 30% of that time each week per dose.

So if you had hunted and gained the max each week, the first pour would have taken 10 days instead of 14. Assuming you hunt for the maximum amount each week, you could have another pour ready for a 45% reduction. That would be roughly the amount of mana you would have gain in a week and a half.

At day 10 you could have infused as much as 45% reduction and temper time which is just less than 8 days. Another week goes by in the meantime and you once again maxxed out the weekly amount and have enough to reduce the temper time by 30% on your third pour for another 10 day temper. The fourth pour could be another 8 day pour, and the final pour would be 10 days for a total of 46 days to complete the project.

Wouldn’t 46 days to completion be better than 70 days?

~Contemplar~


Date: 04/08/2018 04:18 PM CDT
From: WRIGHT0321
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!

ok breaking it down like that helps to see the benefit thank you.

now next question… ok so i am infusing my butt off …week after week. the potions shows 30% week 1, 60% week 2, 90% week 3, etc does the percentage keep going up past the 95% max for 1 pour letting me know i am working on the second pour? ie 96% to 190% is pour 2, 191% to 286% is pour 3 etc and so on?


Date: 04/08/2018 07:11 PM CDT
From: GS4-CONTEMPLAR
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!
>now next question… ok so i am infusing my butt off …week after week. the potions shows 30% week 1, 60% week 2, 90% week 3, etc does the percentage keep going up past the 95% max for 1 pour letting me know i am working on the second pour? ie 96% to 190% is pour 2, 191% to 286% is pour 3 etc and so on?


Correct.

If the potion has 140%, your first pour will use up 95% and leave the remainder of 45% for the second pour.

~Contemplar~


Date: 04/17/2018 04:20 PM CDT
From: JOHSPRA
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!

Ok I am mastered in trinkets and general, and am currently at 43 ranks in potions, yesterday I made a dir potion for a 4x enchant and it came out sparkling…does this mean it is infused with the 5% crafting bonus?


Date: 04/17/2018 05:49 PM CDT
From: GS4-CONTEMPLAR
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!
>Ok I am mastered in trinkets and general, and am currently at 43 ranks in potions, yesterday I made a dir potion for a 4x enchant and it came out sparkling…does this mean it is infused with the 5% crafting bonus?


No.

The crafted bonus is related to your ranks in Potions. You can check the potion itself by using Elemental Detect (405) or check by INFUSE MY POTION without specifying an amount. At your current rank, I am guessing your crafted bonus is around 3-4.

~Contemplar~


Date: 04/17/2018 06:59 PM CDT
From: JOHSPRA
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!
AHH ok thank so there is some benefit just not the full 5% until i master


Date: 04/18/2018 11:08 AM CDT
From: JOHSPRA
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!

As you suggested I checked and sure enough it showed a 3% bonus.

Next question, now that we can infuse a potion for all the pours, any chance we could have the 35k maximum in our mana pool limit removed, we still can only absorb 10k into our pool a week.


Date: 04/18/2018 07:54 PM CDT
From: MEKK51
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!
<Next question, now that we can infuse a potion for all the pours, any chance we could have the 35k maximum in our mana pool limit removed, we still can only absorb 10k into our pool a week.

I think that unlocked at 300 ranks of water lore.


Date: 04/19/2018 07:11 AM CDT
From: VUWH60A
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!

>I think that unlocked at 300 ranks of water lore.

+1 Style Point awarded.

😀


Date: 04/19/2018 08:22 AM CDT
From: KRAKII
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!
Why be unreasonable?

Go with 253 ranks… 🙂


Date: 04/19/2018 10:56 AM CDT
From: DOUG
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!
It’s kind of like bards, Robert.

Or monks for that matter.

Gonna have to go play spiritualists for a while.

Doug


Date: 04/19/2018 12:44 PM CDT
From: KRAKII
Subj: Re: CRAFTED ENCHANT POTION AND INFUSION UPDATES!
(My point was that 253 is just as unreachable as 300, given our current limits.)

 

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